How natural activity tied into a well-balanced spiritual life is a good thing.

In light of coronavirus, many people may be shying away from sweaty, crowded places like the gym. Whether or not that's ultimately necessary, there are ample reasons to take a training regimen outdoors – fresh air and sunshine being chief among them. Charlie and David discuss the disinfectant properties of the great outdoors, how hospitals have forgotten about this, and why Charlie is leading a 50-mile march around all three bridges of SF Bay (following the example of past US presidents, JFK, and Teddy Roosevelt). Finally, they explore the spiritual dimensions of health and fitness, and Charlie talks about his own journey from illness to health.